He may have been becoming very angry about this, and he may have also been resentful over all … She was also following dozens of lupus-themed accounts. Look them up, you might find some on that list that surprise you. #JonBenet, How John Ramsey Continues to Perpetrate a Fraud Upon the Public, Excerpt from The Craven Silence #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt from The Craven Silence 2 #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt from The Craven Silence 3 #JonBenetRamsey, The Reviews are in for The Craven Silence Trilogy, An Excerpt from sequin star #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt #2 from sequin star #JonBenetRamsey, BREAKING: John Ramsey Secretly Files Civil Suit Against CBS, The Changing Stories of John Ramsey, Part 1 [SoundCloud], The Changing Stories of John Ramsey, Part 2, Our Reaction to the CNN Special Report: JonBenet, Levi Page interviews The Craven Silence authors March 2017. Does Chris Watts seem like he is genuinely happy to be there? Once you agree to come in to these companies you want to make it work. But most probably situations sprang up in her life where she felt she needed something of her own where she could help her family’s financial situation. While he’s on Shan’ann holds up a box, tells him how … So in many ways direct sales strengthened me, but what I’m most sorry for is that I continued to believe I was actually getting somewhere financially long after the writing was on the wall. She had worked for the company since January 2016 and had been a highly successful brand promoter, rising to the 80K level. But the claims just aren’t true, and some of these products could even hurt your health. Your next. I wonder…. MLM is much the same way. ), especially for young mothers like Shanann who are trying to achieve a work/ life balance. Sorry but I have to tell you that he didn’t post that picture at all. I think this refusal to recognize that most of us are merely trying to survive versus thrive in a rigged economy is because doing so explodes the American myth that we are all in control of our own destinies. Shannan, in my opinion was a massive fraud and compulsive liar. Great idea but I’ve sort of taken the same theme and given it a slightly different spin. Yet people keep maxing them out and getting new ones because “it will help your credit score.” If you are late one payment your introductory rate of 8% jumps to 22.9%. He is a covert narcissist-psychopath, the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing – a complete fraud to the core. Looking at what we know about the Watts’ debt is an example of trying to survive versus thrive, that is a sizable chunk of the Watts’s credit card debt was due to medical bills and education costs. It would be nearly impossible the way the doll was wrapped and even propped afterwards. It was all a lie. Was most of the credit card debt racked up due the failed MLM … Q: You talk about the amount of money that’s being lost. (if you believe they were playing with them in the first place, which I personally question this) constantly for thumbs up and comments from other bored dupes? Dumb question, but where is a picture of the vision board. She told police he typically wore the patches on his left and right bicep and tricep area and on his lower back - something the product's makers might even describe as overkill, as they recommend wearing only one patch a day. When manufacturing companies become over regulated and taxed they can’t afford to hire labor in America or offer insurance so they move overseas. If this case goes to trial, Thrive should be identified as an “accessory” to this crime. True Crime, Why Journalists Must Remain Neutral, and What It Means. I was not contributing financially to the marital funds because everything I sold I put right back into the product. What’s the typical space of time for MLM people to be sucked in and spat out? There were massive mental issues with this woman and she visited it on everyone in her orbit. The listed ingredients in the basic Thrive patches include ForsLean (the commercial name for the herb Coleus forskohlii), green coffee bean extract, garcinia cambogia, coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10), … 20 Questions: Think you know the Casey Anthony Case? “Prior to Shanann starting with Thrive, she and Chris struggled some, financially,” police wrote in the documents, referencing comments made by a friend of the couple. Of course Chris resented her. She can be seen in online videos and posts raving about it in an effort to recruit new users. Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife Shanann and their two daughters Bella and Celeste in Aug. 2018. I think though, in all fairness, no one preyed on me, nor was I desperate. Look at how many could and have earned a net profit. Why did “Blade Runner Killer” jumble its timeline? Hi Miranda. “Nobody knows Stephen Paddock’s motive 6 months after Las Vegas.” Really? But Holbrook is no ordinary … The banks who offer them know that people want to buy things whether they can afford them or not, so credit is issued in the form of a credit card. Always one of the most popular product groupings, with a great value and enough THRIVE for 4 weeks on the Experience: 2 Lifestyle Capsules … Is the killing of Harambe the gorilla a crime, or not? The high cost of higher education, makes it unaffordable for most folk. He was introduced … Shanann Watts worked for Le-Vel, a company that sells Thrive health and wellness products, according to her Linkedin profile. According to her LinkedIn profile, Watts has been a Thrive distributor for almost 3 years. Watch out for my discussion with A Dark and Stormy Book Club this Saturday about The Murder of Vincent Van Gogh, A short interview I gave to RSG News on The Murder of Vincent van Gogh, 22 Reasons Why “Lost Boys” Author Mark Minnie Didn’t Commit Suicide, 12 Similarities Between Mark Minnie’s Suicide Note and Dave Allen’s. You are never safe. The neighbor saw him outside without the girls, around 7:30 – 8pm. It’s an inability to recognize or admit that an economic determinism exists in this country that enables predatory MLMs and other abusive enterprises. It’s not so great if those views are somehow mitigated in favor of themselves, but running completely counter to this case. Q: You wrote something called “The Main Street Bubble.” In there, you said that you believe that the MLM industries– losses are substantially greater than the Madoff affair. But, once she started selling Thrive… And still thrivin’. I’d like to see more people in true crime thinking for themselves and building ideas than nitpicking on one element of someone else’s idea. That’s exactly what’s happening on social media. Very sound advice but who wants to listen to logical financial/career planning? Side-View of the CERVI 319 Crime Scene + An Analogy, Shan’ann Watts: MLM & Magical Thinking – just how bad was it? She was negative about it, she didn’t believe any of it, at first. Rohde Crime Scene Schematic: What else are we missing? So was she earning $80 000 in sales per year, commissions, was that her total income? There’s absolutely no proof he beat her. Don’t be hooked by promises, testimonials, or supposed endorsements from reporters; all you’ll lose is money. Is it so hard to admit you’ve made a mistake? The videos of him with his children make me sick. Pingback: Shan’ann Watts: MLM & Magical Thinking – just how bad was it? If Oscar wanted to sell his story, could he, and if he could, why doesn’t he, and if he has, how has he? How cynical is that. Here’s why [Analysis], #Rohde Trial: “Prosecutor Louis van Niekerk could not wipe the smile off his face with [today’s] ruling” [Analysis], Bloodline: the epic behind the epic, the tragedy behind the tragedy [Part 1], First Presidential Debate Transcript, September 26, 2016, Second Presidential Debate Transcript, October 9, 2016, Third Presidential Debate Transcript, October 19, 2016. COULD Shan’ann have killed her children? MLM is predatory, “but for me…I didn’t feel like a victim”. Same here, I had the same feeling about the house. She, in turn, posted it on Facebook, stating that she didn’t know what to make of it and had two laughing emoticons after that statement. Q: Who was the one in the relationship that posted pictures every day? Therefore, you can determine the losses. 08-17-2018, 07:20 AM The wife was an $80K gross revenue producer for a MLM wellness program called Le-Vel Thrive. That’s the way the system works. The confessed killer was a regular, perhaps even obsessive, user of Thrive, a weight loss supplement that promises to help boost energy and increase overall health through patches, pills and shakes. As Chris Watts had started to see another woman, he was receiving text messages from his wife, Shanann, who was trying to save the marriage. She lied about her and her children having illnesses, she lied about her in laws and made drama up out of every slight she perceived by them. And then there’s this wishy washy ahhh, it’s not so bad attitude to it. “Prior to Shanann starting with Thrive, she and Chris struggled some, financially,” police wrote in the documents, referencing comments made by a friend of the couple. There are literally thousands of these companies. They paid money to travel all over the US and Mexico (always saying that it was paid for the the company, but I don’t think that’s true). If you do not like MLM’s or Thrive please keep scrolling! Can Vincent van Gogh’s ear be rescued from the towering haystack of mainstream mythology? Pauline, I agree on the doll possibly being a covert message sent by Chris. No. Apparently they couldn’t keep up with their HOA payments. Once created, energy can not be destroyed. I think MLM was a big factor in this case. Le … Q :who in their right mind would post about things of little relevance, such as toys after your children have finished playing with them ? | MemePosts, Shan’ann Watts tells her husband: “I don’t want a video of you…” while recording her children. Unlike other developed countries we have no or very little access to affordable healthcare and education, both of which provide stability and enable social and economic mobility. I would if I were broke and no career to fall back on with 2-3 kids looking at me. I have a degree in child development. She had him open a Thrive account so she could put his (really her) sales as her direct downline. I try very hard to communicate in a systematic way that doesn’t send out mixed messages, especially because the criminal aspect is so murky. You said that Shanann took that picture of the doll on the coach? It’s great if people with experience in MLM can share their views. Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? She did not allow him to post about thrive, because she told him “he will say stuff about thrive that he shouldn’t” she also used this account to fund her car. All eyes are on my fairytale Christmas, Wedding, pregnancy, baking, vision board, fancy Mcmansion, perfect husband, perfect home, perfect,perfect,perfect……. Unfortunately Shanann ran out of time. Chris Watts Stoic During His Arrest – just like Scott Peterson, WTF? For the rest of us, including the likes of another The Secret follower – Jodi Arias – life turns out a little different no matter how elegant our semantics, no matter how compelling or fake our diaries. Did Shan’ann Watts know something was seriously wrong in August? A :Shannan. What to make of the “Last Photo” of Madeleine McCann? I agree, Nick. She wrote on a comment under the pic she was the one tht took the pic. The third product is the Thrive Shake Mix. a minimum of 50% of representatives drop-out. However, these companies and other predatory enterprises, such as credit cards, only thrive because the overall economy is a scam manipulated by and on behalf of the extremely wealthy one percent. Really? In Part 4 of the full Chris Watts Interview Transcription, Chris talks about the shock of finding out Shanann was pregnant with Nico, feeling ‘forced’ to be in Facebook videos, Shanann Watts THRIVE … MLM and Magical Thinking go hand in hand. A few pieces of furniture like a stage home, but not actually a real home. Reports stated that Chris made $62,000 a year before taxes working for Andarko (gas company) and that Shanann had rose to the top of her pyramid scheme based business “Thrive” and was making over $80,000 a year: BUT the fact is that she was only making $32,000 a year as an independent sales rep for “Thrive… They entice you with a low interest rate or “kickback” rewards and they know you are going to use it, from everything to a cup of double espresso latte to a $500 couch, and more. Analysis alone is breaking down but you will never end up with any useful information if that’s all you do, and yet so many people do. She was super invested, he was invested. The kids had seperated rooms, and honestly this whole thing is far fetched. It’s no wonder then that people like Shanann are drawn to these companies’ promise of sustainable at-home work. Well this is a bullshit free zone, and I think the Thrive cult know it. Really? It seems that every MLM/pyramid scheme needs to have a shake mix nowadays. A psychopathic narcissist? They were so close, she helped deliver Celeste July, 2015. Anyway, this thread is supposed to be dedicated to magical thinking as per MLMs, but I certainly understand how it can extend to misconceptions regarding one’s mate. Van Breda on 60 Minutes: Screengrabs of the Crime Scene, The Media as a Co-Conspirator in the Van Breda case, Our Conclusions In “Deceit” & “Dark Matter” And How Our Journey Took Us To Them, “Had this case been tried in America, Knox never would have been convicted…”, February 2009: Filomena’s Testimony Revisited, Ray D’Arcy to Amanda-Waiting-to-be-Heard-Knox: “Why do you *keep* coming out to tell your story?”, Despicable: The Shakedown of Knox Podcast Series. Chris Watts: What possibilities exist for his Defense Case? MLM hopping Last September, Le-Vel Brands shared on its Facebook page, which has more than 370,000 followers, the “Thrive experience” of one Jon Holbrook . Le-Vel’s Facebook page shows there are plenty of them out there, over 1.1 million in the Thrive cult at present. It is unknown whether Shanann was earning very much from the MLM business. Sucks don’t it? There’s analysis but also synthesis. Here is a video of shanann making thrive coffee on her facebook live with her family. I initially believed Thrive was Shannann’s only stint at an MLM and she found her niche in that market. Shanann Watts' mom told ABC that while Chris Watts, Shanann's husband, had been "cold as ice," she advised giving him space not knowing what was to come MLM’s are perceived by some as “get rich quick” opportunities, and those have been around since way before any of us were born. That part might not be right, but what about this non explanation for anything? If it had nothing to do with the MLM then what’s the Watts case actually about? If they were having marital troubles for months or so she seems to be getting little digs in at him through her videos for Thrive – his little brain, “no one likes a cheater” when they are playing checkers, etc. In comments his mistress Nichol Kessinger made to police, it seems Watts was an enthusiastic devotee. I just have to wonder when Chris Watts figured it out. I see Chris’ eyes are black. Apparently they no longer publish their commissions, but back “then” it was used as a carrot to dangle in front of us that we could get there with alot of Yankee ingenuity and hard work. At the time, Shanann had been doing Le-Vel 1 year. Chris did not take that creepy doll photo she did! Shanann Watts was live in Facebook Live video called “12 Days of Christmas Sale – Liquid touch foundation” on November 27, 2016 at 9:23 PM. Hold up, is that a SCRATCH on Chris Watts’ neck? But, once she started selling Thrive, her friend said she was making between $65,000 and $70,000 a year and that she had signed up approximately 200 people. ( admittedly, the Watts overreached with the mausoleum mansion), and you have people turning to MLMs that offer a fantasy income and lifestyle—all cruelly and callously predicated on the lie of self-determination—if you work hard you will succeed, you will thrive. Not just a brand new car, a diamond bracelet and an expensive coat, but a path to making it. Let me make something clear, when you are approached it is by someone who has gained your trust – might be a family member, it could be someone from a Bible study class, or another school teacher, or someone who is successful in their chosen profession. He ripped off the mask – his faked persona – and revealed his total depravity. If Shan’ann … There is now a warning placed on the thread about discussing their bad practices. I was still under the belief after I quit that if i had only done this or that, etc. Student loans (also listed on the Watts bankruptcy paperwork) with high interest rates can sweep you into the undertow. In fact, the Federal Trade Commission suggests consumers be skeptical of such products: "Whether it’s a pill, patch, or cream, there’s no shortage of ads promising quick and easy weight loss without diet or exercise. Then there was the bun in the oven costume with Chris decked out as a bun maker???. The house is dark. Shan’ann Watts: MLM & Magical Thinking – just how bad was it? No need to rant to everyone about it. Chris wanted Shan’ann to suffer. This is a serious question. He is methodical as a madman, now unrecognizable to Shan’ann. And if her business partner wasn’t, what did that indicate about Shan’ann’s income, with or without his participation? And when enough people wearing the same logos on their hats and shirts say the same thing, it can reach a critical mass with the weak minded. Why is it such a god-awful mess? Is Henri van Breda’s motive “a culmination of a festering of a perceived injustice”? I understand that MLM companies are predatory, no doubt about that. They are beautiful souls. Dirty South Customs = Shan’ann’s Dirty Little Secret? That is what Shannan contrived to give her something to post, remember that she had Chris’ phone for selling for his thrive business. So how do you think someone with no experience in it responds when they read your commentary? If you’re serious about true crime and a particular case, then you start piecing things together. His appearing to go along during the videos as well belies his covert plotting in his mind to bring all of it to an end. I have an ex who operated this way (inexplicably left a copy of the movie, “The Grudge” on my coffee table post-divorce; like Shan’ann I thought hummmm). Your response to the “how bad was it” question appears to be “hey, not so bad”. Between now and then thousands of lives will be ruined, but they really can’t complain that they weren’t informed and forewarned, can they? Why did Mark Minnie go to Theescombe on the morning of his death, and what does it mean? What sentence will Oscar Pistorius receive next month? [ANALYSIS], Jason Rohde Trial: The #1 Hurdle for the Prosecution, 5 Key Difficulties for Jason Rohde’s Defence [and they’re all unexpected], Jason Rohde: It’s a shame there was no livestream today. It sells false promises and ruins people in virtually every way you can be ruined. It’s costing the US economy tens of billions. There’s research that shows a prescribed pattern of dropping out and destruction. Rohde Trial: Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Who is Character Assassinating Who? Is THIS Casey Anthony’s motive, timestamped, in her own words? What is the Thrive Premium Lifestyle Mix™? They are every bit a booming industry as self-help gurus. A :Shannan. Was Chris Watts having an affair with another man? Her parents were skeptical. History resonates I am glad Nik has thrown light on those dodgy MLM dupes and the company they sell their souls to. [WATCH]. What impact did THRIVE have on Shan’ann’s marriage? The confessed killer was a regular user of Thrive, a weight-loss supplement that promises to help boost energy and increase overall health through patches, pills and shakes. In Chris’ situation it was the new love interest at work, the financial debts mounting, the new baby, and his growing resentment towards Shan’ann. Documents released by the Weld County District Attorney's Office days after Watts was sentenced to life for smothering daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, before strangling Shanann reveal just how into Thrive the couple had become. (Deceptive, exploitative and fraudulent behaviour – but MLMs deserve all they get ! ) Kessinger said Watts lost 13 pounds between July 4 and Aug. 11. However, Thrive wasn’t her first rodeo. The best horror is a mixture of fear and humor, moreso when it’s not happening to you. In the comments beside the broadcast, it appears she [also a Thrive promoter] has told Shan’ann she can’t go Live with her, ask Josh. Then your interest rate goes up, and as you struggle to make $300 a month payments you are told that by doing so it will shoot up your credit rating Pretty soon you are using it to make a house payment. Prior to the murders, was Chris Watts a good father? Dr OZ gets into shit for promoting the shit that’s in THRIVE, Shan’ann Watts’ Facebook Profile is still Public – and what it could mean. If you haven’t seen it, I’d highly recommend doing so—a great study of this type of behavior. Has Judge Greenland Become Persona Non Grata? It takes a while to absorb and understand it. Beth Karas on Oscar Sanitizing the Crime Scene? Let’s look at the facts that surround this picture in isolation. Q : who ran Chris Facebook account, pretending it was Chris to “tap in” to his friends to supply more dupes ? a minimum of 90% of representatives have left the company. A Week Later, Stephen Paddock’s Motive Still a Mystery. Because no doubt the college educated were applying for a $15 an hour job and why shouldn’t the company try and get a sales clerk with a college degree. Friends said she won several vacations through the company, which also paid for her Lexus. 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